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Should Public School Districts Pay for Private School Busing?

The state requires public school districts to pay the transportation costs for students attending private and parochial schools.

 

New Jersey public school districts have been paying to bus parochial and private school students for years.

A report in The Asbury Park Press puts the annual cost at $77 million a year for about 90,000 students of religious and other private schools, money that comes out of local budgets funded by property taxpayers.

According to the Press, districts are required "to spend up to $884 on transportation for each student attending a private school, be it on a school bus or a parent driving the child to class." The state is one of only a handful that pay for private-school busing, with 34 banning all public funding for private schooling.

Patch wants to know what you think. Respond to our poll and offer your thoughts in the comment section below.

  • Should local public school districts have to pay for transporting private and parochial school children?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes -- the parents of private school students pay taxes and should get the same benefits
        167 (16%)
    • Yes -- but it should be capped at the average transportation cost in the district
        54 (5%)
    • No -- if you choose to send your child to a private school, you should pay for your own transportation
        797 (78%)
    Total votes: 1018
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
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Joe R

12:59 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

If your goal is to destroy public education, to undermine the public education system by starving it of funds and cutting school budgets, then by all means fund private school busing. NJ traditional public schools rank in the top tier of schools nationally but Christie and Cerf are determined to privatize the schools and to hand them over to private entities who are unaccountable to local school boards and local residents. The largest charter school chain is the creation of a Turkish imam. The Gulen schools rely heavily on Turkish teachers. Just insane. Nothing against Turkish teachers but what about all the tens of thousands of US teachers who were just fired because of budget cuts. These charter schools do NOT take their fair share of special needs students who need special services and extra help. They do not take their fair share of free and reduced lunch kids and of kids for whom English is not their first language. If a kid becomes too disruptive, the charter school "counsels out" problematic kids.

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Marty Abschutz

3:16 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Joe R,
Keep in mind that charter schools are public schools, but that is not the question. I think that since parents are property taxpayers, in one form or another, that their children's transportation should be paid from the school budget, but capped at the average for the district where they live.

The above views are my own and do not represent those of the South Brunswick Board of Education (I have not been appointed officially, yet, but feel the disclaimer should appear).

gjc

1:06 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Parents atively choose to send their kids to private schools. Along with that choice comes the knowledge that they personally will be responsible for all school related costs including busing. Don't like it? Send your kids to public schools.

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Leslie Bianczik

3:40 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

That's some pretty lousy logic there. You do realize if they "don't like it and send their kids to public schools" you're now paying to transport the kids to the public school in addition to paying to educate all the formerly private school kids at the public school?

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jose azcona

10:56 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I understand your feelings, but I'm a father of three catholic school students and I own a few properties that I pay taxes for. It is not my problem that they don't have a good school system where I live at. Since my children don't use the public school funds they should at least get free transportation

Eyeballs

2:21 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Parents who send their kids to private schools pay taxes to support the public schools and the buses. Second, they save taxpayers a ton of money by not having their kids educated in the public schools - they pay tuition to the prvate schools on top of the taxes they pay. Third, why would competition make public schools anything but better?

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Chester Copperpot

10:56 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

While I agree that parents paying for private school and also paying for their property taxes is generous for public schools, how much do you think public schools really save? It only saves enough if you lose so many students that school personnel needs to be cut. You're still paying for the same utility bills, space, transportation, etc. even if the student population takes a slight dip just because of some kids going to private or charters. If the students lost isn't enough for personnel to be trimmed, the cost per pupil actually increases and then people go crazy because now it looks even more expensive. It's like a supermarket losing customers. You still have to pay the bills on the shelf space and the rent even though you're getting less customers. You can't just downsize the public school infrastructure, with exception of a few teachers...and that's just a drop in the bucket of a school budget.

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Chester Copperpot

11:06 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

To go with my previous reply....you have another feather in your cap if there was a mass exodus from private/charter to public to the point where new school additions or new schools altogether needed to be built. Not sure eliminating busing to privates and charters would cause such a shift in public school population, but theoretically that would be quite costly and support your point. However, after new elementary were just built and the recent restructuring of schools and grade levels, that would take an enormous amount of students to even threaten that possibility. If the schools themselves can physically absorb dozens of students, the cost is simply salaries and could even reduce the cost per pupil with a higher pupil to teacher ratio.

Leslie Bianczik

3:51 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

How about this...instead of taking a service away from tax-payers who, in addition to paying their taxes, save the district money by not sending their kids to the school; why don't we stop providing a free education to the children of illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes and cost the district the additional expenses of ESL teachers and teachers aides needed to translate in the class?

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Joe R

4:00 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

As far as I am concerned, charter schools are public schools in name only. I did state traditional public schools as opposed to a charter school. Charter schools are unaccountable to the local school boards and in NJ, charter schools are forced on the local school districts by the state school czar, C. Cerf. Local residents get no voice, no vote whether a charter school is established in their district. Charter schools are almost like separate school districts unto themselves. Who the hell elects the charter school boards or trustees? SB schools are NOT failing so if you choose to send your kids to a private school, then you should pay for all expenses including busing, it's your choice, you are not forced to send your children to a private or religious school. Private and religious schools are independent of the local school boards, residents have no vote in their operation so they are not entitled to local tax payers money via busing.

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Eyeballs

4:41 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

But they're paying for public schools and not using them. If they're willing to do that I don't see a problem. The town is getting a huge benefit from tehse people. If they didn't do it, the costs would go up for everybody and the public shools would become crowded.

Joe R

6:32 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

So taxpayers should fund someone's busing because they want their child to have a specific religious education? Excuse me, why should folks not of the same religion support another child's religious education. That should be done on your own dime, it's your choice. The traditional public schools are not saving such a bundle since they lose the state aid associated with that child who goes to a private or religious school. Public education is a public service for which all residents pay, even if they don't have kids. I have to pay for public roads that I will never use. There are fixed expenses associated with the buses that will rise because of extra duties imposed on them and the drivers. Even if a few kids go to a private school, they will still need the same amount of buses and may even have to add new buses and new drivers. It's possible.

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Winston

9:58 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

I find it ironic that Marty an anti charter school zealot believes that SB parents and tax payers have the right to use their tax dollars for transportation but not to fund a better and higher quality education for their children.

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Brina Herskovits

8:27 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Since private school parents are still paying for public school children to attend public schools in addition to paying for their private schools, what's so terrible with getting assistance for busing? after all we paid for it

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Jack Wagon

9:44 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

If my tax dollars are going towards the local school budget and I have school age kids, I'm paying taxes for transportation costs for my kids to attend SB public schools. If I send my kids to another school for whatever reason I see fit as a parent, I am still paying for local busing through taxation, so cap my expense and re-emburse me at the average cost to bus a student in SB or use a bus and I pay the difference. It's as simple as that.

What about special needs kids from SB that go to schools out of the district that better suite their needs? Are they not entitled to busing?

What about MC vo-tech students? Aren't those county schools considered a form of public school with concentrations in certain arts or careers? Shouldn't those students be entitled to busing?

I don't see the difference between busing a student to a county vo-tech school or a school for special needs and busing a student to a school such as Rutgers Prep. If I paid for the busing in my taxes, I should get busing in some form. I don't think a clear line can be drawn as to who is entitled or not entitled to busing without being prejudicial.

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I am RIGHT

9:54 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Why limit the reimbursement to busing? How about text books? Why not limit the cost of schools to seniors, they don't use the schools? How about we all pay taxes to pay for SB schools. If you want something else for your children that's your privledge. How about home-schooled kids, do they get money back because they don't use the bus? So the $850 reimbursement is the difference between your kids going to the $20,000 per year Rutgers Prep and going to SB schools. Please help me understand why this one cost (busing) is reimbursed and no other costs. Why not just go to voutures?

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Joe R

11:07 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I am RIGHT raises some very good points. Where does this aid to parents sending their kids to private school end? What's next, subsidizing their school meals, a clothing allowance, school supplies allowance, etc. In essence, we would be giving aid to affluent or wealthy parents so they can send their kids to elite private schools. Middle class and working class people cannot afford $20K and up for private schools. Gee, isn't that nice.

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Winston

11:19 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Yes...we should also pay for the lobster, filet mignon and caviar they serve in the charter school cafeterias!

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Jack Wagon

4:32 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Joe, your talking very hypothetically. Private school student's meals and supplies are paid for through tuition. Clothing is either by dress code or uniform and is paid individually. No one is getting taxed to pay for a private school students meals, supplies or clothing. But private school families are paying for busing. You just want them to pay because you think they are affluent?
Busing is paid for through local taxation and should be extended to everyone qualified.

Jack Wagon

11:37 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Text books and supplies fall under the budget of individual private schools. These expenses are collected through tuitions, etc. and are provided to the students by the school. Busing is not included in the tuition but is being paid for through local taxation.
Seniors might not use the schools, but they live in the town and are responsible to pay property taxes which have always included local school taxes. We'll all be seniors some day with a little luck and we all will carry the same burden no matter where we live.
Home schooled kids should be re-embursed for busing.
The $850 is the amount already paid for local school busing through taxation. If a tax payer has school aged children, that money should go toward their transportation. They've already paid for it. The money should be diverted up to the capped cost.

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Julie

2:06 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Why should they be able to receive aid in leau of transportation though? If your kid goes to a private school (or the law is same for a publicly finance charter school) that is 15 miles away from your home, you can turn down busing and collect money for your travel expenses instead. How do lawmakers justify this? Public school students can't turn down buses and collect money form the local district instead.

If, in a town like Lakewood, if $20 million of transportation costs are for religious school busing, how much is actually just being paid outright to the parents (via aid in leau of transportation) and how much do the parents just funnel back to the religious organizations as tithe, anyway?

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Marty Abschutz

2:50 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Julie,
"Aid in lieu..." typically arises when the bid for a bus run comes in at a greater cost per student than the state-mandated amount. Usually, that happens when too few students from the local district and surrounding districts are attending a particular private school. That scenario is less likely for a school that is 15 miles away.
(The above views are my own and do not represent those of the South Brunswick Board of Education.)

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Winston

10:02 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

It's called giving people their tax money back to spend they way they deem best.

(The above views are my own and do not represent those of the South Brunswick Board of Education.)

I am RIGHT

2:53 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Since my kids are in before and after care and they don't use the bus then I can get the $850 back? Of course not! This reimbursement is a scam. It's no different than a parent wanting $12K per year because they don't use the schools. Yes, we all pay for the schools, single people, couples without children and couples whose children have graduated. They don't get money back. This has never made any sense. If your child doesn't play baseball, do you want money back because you didn't use the fields? Why is this one item (busing) reimbursed?

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Marty Abschutz

3:02 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Right,
That is a good last question. I do not know the genesis of it. I don't know when it was signed into law.
(The above views are my own and do not represent those of the South Brunswick Board of Education.)

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Jack Wagon

5:18 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The difference is busing for all students is mandated by the state, baseball is extra curricular. Any K-8 student that lives 2 miles away from their school is bused and a HS student is bused if they live 2 1/2 miles away from their school.

http://www.state.nj.us/education/parents/transportation.htm

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Winston

10:00 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I am right....anyone who has a kid in SB schools who wants to play sports or participate in extracurricular activities is being nickeled and dimed to do so. It's a tax increase that the SB will not own up to. Yes..another great idea! Punish the kids who want to active participants in society?

(The above views are my own and do not represent those of the South Brunswick Board of Education.)

I am RIGHT

3:21 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing Township

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Jack Wagon

6:05 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Busing is mandated by the state of NJ. In theory, SB students do have the option to take the bus and get to and from school. There are even late buses for the upper grades. It's parental choice to leave them at before and aftercare and abandon their mandated busing. Your not state mandated to play baseball, although SB students also do have the choice to either use the athletic fields or not while at the schools. You also have the option of whether or not you want to pay to play for extra curricular activities such as baseball.

In my opinion, the scam would be paying for the buses through taxation and not getting the services mandated by the state that are paid for. Most of you think the scam is that private school student households that pay for the bus are stealing money from the local district. I don't see it, especially when it's state mandated and paid for it through taxation. I wouldn't mind paying 100% of the bill for busing, but I'm already being taxed for busing.

It is simple - If the state mandates busing, you have to offer it to every tax paying household in the district that qualifies for busing.

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Winston

9:56 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Jack...don't attempt to explain simple concepts to nit wits!

(The above views are my own and do not represent those of the South Brunswick Board of Education.)

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william kramer

8:47 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

You SHOULD run for BOE just so you can run your own disclaimer. One of the many unspoken perks of the office.

I am RIGHT

10:44 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Jack - I know it's mandated.
Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing Township - 1947
In my opinion this was a mistake. I don't agree with the decision. Tax dollars should be spent for SB Schools, SB Sports, SB text books, SB clubs, SB plays, SB band, AND SB Busing. Not private school busing. You don't get money back for not using the school, you shouldn't get money back for not using the bus.
I get it, it's a state law. It was a 5-4 decision by the state supreme court in 1947. That's right, 5-4...........

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Jack Wagon

7:27 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I understand how you feel. I have 3 kids in the SB system. One I bring to and from school myself because the bus route runs so late. I save the kid more than an hour a day, but don't use the bus service.

I blame the lawyers. They're running the show here. I'm sure they argued some discriminatory obscurity to win over the supreme court. I'm curious as to whether it was a liberal or conservative leaning court at the time.

Iggy

6:24 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I don't have any kids in school. Where is my cash back to use for whatever private expense I want?

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helen

12:31 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

jack youre too stupid to own a dog. its even scarier that you have offspring. i guess we now know who we,ll be paying for next with our tax dollars . looking forward to seeing your kids on mtv's " 16 and pregnant .

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CALLTHEMOUT

9:18 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Helen,
Nice! If you have children, and I hope you don't,they must be so proud of their mother right now. What does it say about you that you watch MTV's (is capitalized) 16 And Pregnant explains so much about you.

Dave Bell

5:51 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

The Patch is getting to the point it's nothing more than a Jerry Springer show. All the important topics get taken over with nonsense and just petty BS between a few people.

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project bluebeam

9:48 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

my wife and i moved to ocean county ten yrs ago. we have no children and up till now understand that our taxes go towards the schools but to listen to trailer trash like jack wagon on this site it sickens us. clearly from his posts he has no job since he can pick his kids up during school hours. the rest of the day he spends on the patch making vile comments . for the sake of us taxpayers who pay for your kids and for you to sit home and watch judy on our dime please get fixed .

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